we don't have a good idea of what happened in benghazi, what failures there were. we had today at the white house briefing, the administration absolutely determined to say this is all because of -- it's because of the movie and all the demonstrations across the region -- >> why are they pushing the movie? >> i think there are two reasons. one, the president showed, in my opinion, an enormous naivete in june 200 19, thinking he could go to the middle east, offer his own wonderful self and muslims would like the united states better. that's want happening. i think some people in the administration are so involved in this democracy idea that believe that democracy can take hold after the arab spring, that this is clearly evidence that it ain't working. >> i think -- if they can keep the focus on the movie, they can hope that the governments in these countries can do something to sort of tamp down the violence and call off the protests. >> but if that's their goal, i think they have it backwards. the fact that -- first, the cairo embassy elevated the movie, talked abou